Dr. Martin J. Wiener, professor in Rice University’s Department of History, in conversation with the British historian William R. Brock. Wiener, wearing a dark suit and patterned tie, is standing with an open book, listening to Brock, who is wearing a grayish, striped suit, and seated on the edge of a desk. The two are standing in front of a book-lined bookcase. Original resource is a black and white photograph.